“We didn’t record any arrhythmias on the monitor. Georgina’s extended hospitalization was related to an episode of infection.” Gyorgos Kurelis, a pediatrician-intensivist who worked at the Onassios Cardiac Surgery Institute at the time the girl was transferred from Patras University Hospital, testified before a mixed jury at Rola Bisbrigo’s trial.
The doctor, the second in Onassios’ witness circle, testified in court about Georgina’s hospitalization, saying the child was sent there by Patras Hospital to assess her heart function after her arrest in Karamantanio in April. 2021 but also because of the death history of two other children of the Tuskalakis family.
According to the witness, Georgina stayed with Onassios Less than a month. Mr. As Kurelis said, during the first days of Onacio’s hospitalization, Georgina had a febrile seizure: “Because the episode was prolonged, treatment was given. She was suffering from encephalopathy. The baby was generally stable. We did not register any arrhythmias on the monitors. Her hospitalization was extended because she had an episode of infection. “He got into the machine in early June, it was checked, everything was working properly and he returned to Patras in 2-3 days,” said the witness. At the same time, during the President’s examination, he insisted, “At the time of Georgina’s hospitalization, we had no records of bradycardia in Georgina.”
CHAIRPERSON: If there is heart disease, it will show up in the vital signs, will it show up on the monitor?
Witness: As far as the vital signs are concerned, we have recorded that.
CHAIRMAN: Was anything like that seized?
Witness: No.
THE PRESIDENT: Did he have encephalopathy or an infectious disease when he arrived? Or a combination of both?
Witness: It may be the result of encephalopathy. Many functions are dysregulated by encephalopathy.
CHAIRPERSON: Did anything go wrong in dealing with the doctors who had already dealt with Georgina?
Witness: What the child suffered and faced many problems, we have to put it in order of priority.
Asked if ketamine had been used, the doctor categorically replied that it had not been given to the girl.
Alexis Kougias: From May 10, 2021 to June 5, 2021, when Onassios was hospitalized, did he have any serious heart problems?
THE WITNESS: The only episode that I know of was in the first 24 hours and he had to be intubated for two days. The episode was unrelated to cardiac activity.
Al. Gougias: Why was it introduced?
Witness: For assessment and possible placement of defibrillator-pacemaker. The reason was conflict and history with his brothers who had two sudden deaths.
Al. Kougias: (reading Onasio’s history for admission “due to a burdensome history – he is undergoing treatment for defibrillator implantation and genetic testing). Did you find out what happened a month ago on April 11, 2021?
Witness: The date does not say anything. You mean stand off episode?
Al. Kougias: Can you diagnose heart disease?
THE WITNESS: What do you mean?
Al. Kougias: Can you diagnose heart disease? He had two episodes of seizures. Did you find out what happened there?
THE WITNESS: I have heard them.
Al. Gougias: As for how he met the opposition, were you briefed on what happened before that?
Witness: I can tell you what happened at Onassios.
Al. Gougias: Let me give you a series of chapters to tell you how you would characterize them? Two episodes reported, tremors reported, what is the cause?
Witness: I cannot answer that. He should be referred to a neurologist.
Al. Kougias: They sent it to a neurologist. What should the pediatrician consider next?
THE WITNESS: Speaking of seizures, it’s a purely neurological issue.
Al. Koogias: The neurologist examined the child and found no problems. What’s next?
Witness: Admitting the child to the hospital and doing a thorough examination is routine.
Al. Kougias: Can a pediatrician make a heart diagnosis?
Witness: We send to a cardiologist.
Al. Koogiyas: What can hypoxia lead to?
THE WITNESS: …even in the opposition.
Al. Gougias: Can an oximeter capture anything?
Witness: He shows you a number. We make it look.
Al. Kougias: If what mom saw was real, 150 contractions, what does that mean?
Witness: If someone vomits it will increase the blood pressure.
In response to questions from the defense about the time it took to revive Karamantanio after the attack, the witness said the danger times were relative.
Al. Kougias: From what minute is it dangerous and is there a risk of comorbidity?
Evidence: Comorbidity refers to problems that occur before termination.
Al. Gougias: At what point does a doctor predict a child is quadriplegic?
Witness: Times are relative. Depending on where you are. A general rule of thumb is that at 20 minutes, they reassess the situation and say if it makes sense to continue, or what the outcome should be. Parents are also informed. CPR means giving oxygen to the brain.
Al. Gougias: The Hellenic Society of Cardiology issued an announcement, and you accept it
THE WITNESS: Obviously.
Al. Gougias: Does the Hellenic Cardiology Society (in the case of a soccer player’s death) say that brain damage occurs within 4 minutes if not treated immediately? Do you agree?
THE WITNESS: It is generally accepted. Brain damage occurs when the brain is deprived of oxygen for 2 to 4 minutes. However, what is important is what “if not treated promptly” means. Doctors immediately intervened here.
Mr. Gougias brought up the topic of transplants again, raising the tone in the room when the lawyer again referred to the “transplant industry” while attacking radical Andreas Iliadis.
Al. Koogias: Could this procedure (including prolonged resuscitation) have been done to brainwash them for organ transplants?
CHAIRPERSON: What does this have to do with the case?
Al. Kougias: It has to do with the credibility of doctors. After 20 minutes a child is revived, the parents are not informed, the person who revived him takes him by the hand and Mr. Takes to Iliads, and discusses the mother’s organ transplant…
Do parents have a right to be informed? They celebrate because they saved a child, but he was left as a quadriplegic. The parents have the right to believe that all this was done to get his organs
Chairman: What does it have to do with all this?
Al. Koogias: Mr. Let him prosecute me for unreliable and unethical witnesses like the Iliads. I want to show unreliability and immorality…do I have to apologize for asking the question every time? There are alternative industries out there. I inform the parents that the child is quadriplegic! He had to tell them that the child would experience a torture, and he never told them. By what you are doing you are protecting them as the chief president. Having to hold a meeting in 20 minutes and inform the parents is more serious than anything else,” said Mr. Kurelis said.
CHAIRPERSON: You have said too much. We are not protecting any witnesses. What you are asked to do is to explain what the talk of transplantation has to do with the outcome we have had since. It is the middle of events between an attempt and an accomplished act.
The hearing will continue tomorrow.
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